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Post by Sir Pun on Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:28 am

Heard a lady saying that as long as we lived in a money society that greed would rule us. Of course my response was, what are we gonna go back to bartering chickens? I mean all human activity is about greed, and making life suck less.

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Post by Bryant on Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:39 pm

Sir Pun wrote:Heard a lady saying that as long as we lived in a money society that greed would rule us. Of course my response was, what are we gonna go back to bartering chickens? I mean all human activity is about greed, and making life suck less.
Why do you think that all human activity is about greed? Is greed tied to improving quality of life?
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Post by Sir Pun on Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:22 am

Yes. Anything more than we need is greedy, and all we technically need is food water and shelter. Anything more than a hunter gatherer lifestyle therefore, is greed. Cars, electricity, cell phone, TVs, plumbing. Especially when you consider others dont have these things.

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Post by Sir Pun on Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:23 am

Again, if u want to be technical about it. Our entire civilization is built on greed

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Post by Marconius on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:20 am

Not just on greed. Greed just gets the spotlight. We have all the sins and all the virtues. Wrath, sloth, envy......its all here.

I would rather have an economics system tied to greed rather than the one we have seen over the past century or so. That system is tied to envy more than anything else.

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Post by Bryant on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:02 pm

Is greed inherently egoistic?
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Post by Sir Pun on Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:58 am

Egotistical or narcissistic?

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Post by Marconius on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:19 am

Bryant wrote:Is greed inherently egoistic?
No. My greed may stem from my desire to provide for those in my care.

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Post by Bryant on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:44 pm

Marconius wrote:
Bryant wrote:Is greed inherently egoistic?
No. My greed may stem from my desire to provide for those in my care.
If its out of desire to provide for others in your care, I posit it isn't really greed.

greed |grēd|
noun
intense and selfish desire for something, esp. wealth, power, or food.

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Post by Bryant on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:46 pm

Sir Pun wrote:Egotistical or narcissistic?
Egoistic and egotistic sound a lot alike but have very different meanings. From the Apple Dictionary -

USAGE The words egoism and egotism are frequently confused, as though interchangeable, but there are distinctions worth noting. Both words derive from Latin : ego (‘I’), the first-person singular pronoun. Egotism, the more commonly used term, denotes an excessive sense of self-importance, too-frequent use of the word 'I,' and general arrogance and boastfulness. Egoism, a more subtle term, is perhaps best left to ethicists, for whom it denotes a view or theory of moral behavior in which self-interest is the root of moral conduct. An egoist, then, might devote considerable attention to introspection, but could be modest about it, whereas an egotist would have an exaggerated sense of the importance of his or her self-analysis, and would have to tell everyone.
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Post by Sir Pun on Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:44 am

You know many psychologists would argue that the only reason we do things for others is to make ourselves feel good, righteous, or just. Taking care of "those in your care" therefore makes you feel like a provider.

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Post by Marconius on Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:29 am

Bryant wrote:
Marconius wrote:
Bryant wrote:Is greed inherently egoistic?
No. My greed may stem from my desire to provide for those in my care.
If its out of desire to provide for others in your care, I posit it isn't really greed.

greed |grēd|
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intense and selfish desire for something, esp. wealth, power, or food.

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The desire to help others can be selfish.

Think of how smug many feel after they do someone a solid.

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