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Post by Dennis324 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:47 pm


 
The campaign to bash faith in America until it vanishes from the public square has been unveiled in a new book called “Bad Samaritans: The ACLU’s Relentless Campaign to Erase Faith from the Public Square” by WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi.
It will get additional attention when Book TV airs a discussion by the author on Monday  at 7:30 a.m. Eastern Time.
 
Corsi’s discussion about “Bad Samaritans” took place at the 20th annual Eagle Forum Collegians Summit, hosted by the Heritage Foundation in Washington.


“If we do not fight this battle now, the United States of America will most certainly descend into a form of paganism not seen since the darkest days of antiquity,” he said.


He believes that liberty in America has always depended upon one thing: a citizenry that believes in God.
The nation’s Founding Fathers understood that without faith in God, rights and morality could not last, he writes.
Without religion, true freedom cannot long endure. So, for those who seek to take those rights away, transferring the individual rights given by God to the control of a secularist state, belief in God is the first tie to be severed, he said.
 
That brings into the picture the “leftists of the ACLU,” which for decades have battled against the concept of “one nation, under God.”
Bad Samaritans” looks at the history of the ACLU and its radical agenda to separate America from its religious roots and remake the nation in its own atheistic image.

In a straightforward, no-nonsense style, Corsi lays out the history of this struggle, its communist roots and the court cases that are serving to slowly erode the foundations of freedom.

The results are evident, the book says: A culture flooded with pornography, placing little worth on the value of a human life and seemingly providing protection and special treatment for everyone except people with a Judeo-Christian worldview.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/bashing-faith-in-america-the-campaign/#1yFRX3JXCsX3qqpc.99
Imo, this last sentence is, in a nutshell, why we have the problems in American culture that we do.  People have little or no respect for one another and we are bombarded with debauchery at nearly every turn.  Honor means nothing to people here anymore.

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Post by Bryant on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:41 am

“If we do not fight this battle now, the United States of America will most certainly descend into a form of paganism not seen since the darkest days of antiquity,”

Fuck this asshole. So if I don't want to have the government shoving Christianity down my throat I'm responsible for ushering in 'the darkest days of antiquity.' Last I checked, the cruelest time in Western history, the middle ages, was when Christianity has at the apex of its power and all governments were Christian theocracies. No thanks.

The really annoying thing is, no one is telling Christians that they can't believe in their god or go to church. No one is using government to force people to believe that there is no god. All the ACLU and related organizations are trying to do is to prevent religious groups from using the government to force their religion on us! The US government was never meant to be used as a vehicle of spreading the Christan faith. Then you get whiny Christian groups that confuse not getting their way with persecution, the very thing they're trying to do to non-believers.

You want to see what religious persecution looks like in the United States, try telling all your friends that you're really an atheist. Or a Mormon. Or a Muslim. While its unlikely anyone will attack you (well, perhaps except for the Muslim one) like they would in many other countries, its quite likely that people will treat you differently.
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Post by Bryant on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:49 am

"The results are evident, the book says: A culture flooded with pornography, placing little worth on the value of a human life and seemingly providing protection and special treatment for everyone except people with a Judeo-Christian worldview."

Except people with a Judeo-Christian world view have a higher than average rate of pornography consumption. So much hypocritical self-righteous bullocks.
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Post by Marconius on Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:50 am

Porn just pisses me off......ugly dudes with hot chicks....c'mon man.

Tidbit of trivia:
ACLU was actually started by Marxists....this is 100% true. Helen Keller herself was big in its inception.....she was an avowed follower of Marx and an open member of the socialist party.

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Post by Dennis324 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:18 am

Yup.  I don't know why Alabama makes such a big deal about Helen Keller.  What in the world did she really do?  She learned to use sign language.  Seems to me her teacher Anne Sullivan was the real hero.

On the other issue, we ought to keep in mind that Jerome Corsi's words about paganism are just his opinion.  I haven't read his book, but from what I gather, it is not about shoving Christianity down Bryant's throat. Rolling Eyes  Its about how the ACLU and leftists are deliberately attempting to erase any and all traces of religion and especially Christianity from public view.  And that's a huge difference.

I'll be honest, I think the ACLU would have all our public historical documents erase any reference to God from them.  Scrub them clean.  No "in God We Trust", no reference to God in the Declaration of Independence, and rewrite the entire first amendment.

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Post by Dennis324 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:19 am

Marconius wrote:Porn just pisses me off......ugly dudes with hot chicks....c'mon man.

Tidbit of trivia:
ACLU was actually started by Marxists....this is 100% true. Helen Keller herself was big in its inception.....she was an avowed follower of Marx and an open member of the socialist party.
What about 2 hot chicks with a toy?  Cool

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Post by Dennis324 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:23 am

Bryant wrote:"The results are evident, the book says: A culture flooded with pornography, placing little worth on the value of a human life and seemingly providing protection and special treatment for everyone except people with a Judeo-Christian worldview."

Except people with a Judeo-Christian world view have a higher than average rate of pornography consumption.    So much hypocritical self-righteous bullocks.
OM Gosh Bryant.  That article only says that a report found that based on credit card reports, most online porn is bought from people in conservative states.  And so you think Christians are buying all that porn????  Gimmee a break man.  Rolling Eyes   You know...most people in red states aren't church going Christians.  We even have a few liberals down here.  And a few atheists and a few wiccans and a few whatever.
 
What is California filled with?

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Post by Miles1 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:12 am

Dennis324 wrote:
What is California filled with?
California is where all the porn comes from....

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Post by Miles1 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:12 am

Marconius wrote:Porn just pisses me off......ugly dudes with hot chicks....c'mon man.
So you're saying it's the lack of realism that puts you off it?

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Re: Bashing faith in America: The campaign

Post by Sir Pun on Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:34 am

Still waiting for the aclu to sue to have all the crosses at arlington, or any military cemetery, taken down. There is a difference between te government forcing a religion on ppl, and a government forcing out ppl's beliefs from public life. I would just ask all to read the text of te constitution onl this. Its very clear, unless you choose to make it unclear

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Post by Sir Pun on Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:36 am

After all, public property belongs to christians too. Not to mention atheists have their own memorial bench put up somewhere on florida. Now if they want atheism to be seen as a religion, why is their bench acceptable, where a cross isnt?

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Post by Marconius on Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:08 am

Miles1 wrote:
Marconius wrote:Porn just pisses me off......ugly dudes with hot chicks....c'mon man.
So you're saying it's the lack of realism that puts you off it?
Nah, more like jealousy......I should be the one with those bitches Twisted Evil 

Eh, seen one porn, you seen them all. I really hate it when people want to watch porn offshore. Ain't no women out here(well the ones that are out here are far from attractive) and watching something that you ain't gonna get until you get home, just makes the hitch seem longer.

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Post by Marconius on Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:09 am

Sir Pun wrote:After all, public property belongs to christians too. Not to mention atheists have their own memorial bench put up somewhere on florida. Now if they want atheism to be seen as a religion, why is their bench acceptable, where a cross isnt?
Yeah, if atheism is a relegion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

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Post by Bryant on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:06 pm

Dennis324 wrote:Yup.  I don't know why Alabama makes such a big deal about Helen Keller.  What in the world did she really do?  She learned to use sign language.  Seems to me her teacher Anne Sullivan was the real hero.

On the other issue, we ought to keep in mind that Jerome Corsi's words about paganism are just his opinion.  I haven't read his book, but from what I gather, it is not about shoving Christianity down Bryant's throat. Rolling Eyes  Its about how the ACLU and leftists are deliberately attempting to erase any and all traces of religion and especially Christianity from public view.  And that's a huge difference.

I'll be honest, I think the ACLU would have all our public historical documents erase any reference to God from them.  Scrub them clean.  No "in God We Trust", no reference to God in the Declaration of Independence, and rewrite the entire first amendment.
In God We Trust isn't historic. E Pluribus Unum is. In God We Trust was enacted in the 1956 to vilify non-Christians (the common take is to set us apart from the atheistic Communists, but think about the implications of why it would set us apart).

I've not heard anyone, the ACLU included, argue that there should be no displays of religion in the public square, rather that the government shouldn't be a vehicle for promoting any religion. The cases they take are against those who confuse public schools with churches and courthouses with cathedrals. They're the ones who've stood up for the rest of us when fundamentalists have gone to the state house to force us to believe by penalty of law. One of the earliest acts of the ACLU was to go to Hillsborough Tennessee to stand up for a man jailed for having the audacity to oppose religious law and teach science in a public school.

I don't think you appreciate the experience of those the ACLU defends.
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Post by Bryant on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Sir Pun wrote:After all, public property belongs to christians too. Not to mention atheists have their own memorial bench put up somewhere on florida. Now if they want atheism to be seen as a religion, why is their bench acceptable, where a cross isnt?
The secularist movement was outmaneuvered. If I remember correctly the idea was that they wouldn't be allowed to place an atheistic monument (equivalent to a christian monument). If they were told that their monument wasn't welcome they could sue and say that the government was protecting Christianity (not uncommon). Seeing this, the government OKed the monument and make the secularists look ridiculous.
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Post by Dennis324 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:02 am

Sir Pun wrote:Still waiting for the aclu to sue to have all the crosses at arlington, or any military cemetery, taken down.

 
Hey!  Just give em time.

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Post by Dennis324 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:17 am

Bryant wrote:
In God We Trust isn't historic.  E Pluribus Unum is.  In God We Trust was enacted in the 1956 to vilify non-Christians (the common take is to set us apart from the atheistic Communists, but think about the implications of why it would set us apart).  
To Vilify non Christians?  That's not why or when the motto was put on currency.  It predates 1956.
 
The phrase likely originated in "The Star-Spangled Banner", written during the War of 1812. Part of it includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'" Also it was first used by the Union in the Civil War as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam.   At least part of the motivation was to declare that God was on the Union side of the Civil War.
 
An Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865, allowed the Mint Director, with the Secretary's approval, to place the motto on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon."  In 1873, Congress passed the Coinage Act, granting that the Secretary of the Treasury "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto."
 
The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938.  In 1908, Congress made it mandatory that the phrase be printed on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908. Since 1938, all US coins have borne the motto.
 
While the United States DID wanted to distinguish itself from the Soviet Union, which happened to promote state atheism, that is far different from the 1st amendment.  The FF in no way wanted to promote Atheism.  The Russians have been our adversary since post WW2 and at the time Congress felt compelled to do something to illustrate the differences between our two nations.

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Post by Miles1 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:26 am

Dennis324 wrote:The FF in no way wanted to promote Atheism.
Well, back then Athiesm didn't really exist as we know it today. You were either a believer or a pagan/heathen, but it was assumed everyone believed in some sort of higher power(s).....

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Post by Sir Pun on Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:38 am

The secularists did that

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Post by Marconius on Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:18 pm

Bryant wrote:
Sir Pun wrote:After all, public property belongs to christians too. Not to mention atheists have their own memorial bench put up somewhere on florida. Now if they want atheism to be seen as a religion, why is their bench acceptable, where a cross isnt?
The secularist movement was outmaneuvered.  If I remember correctly the idea was that they wouldn't be allowed to place an atheistic monument (equivalent to a christian monument).  If they were told that their monument wasn't welcome they could sue and say that the government was protecting Christianity (not uncommon).  Seeing this, the government OKed the monument and make the secularists look ridiculous.
What exactly is a monument to atheism??? A pedestal with nothing on it???

Are we really getting down to purposefully trying to make each other look ridiculous??? What a shame.

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