Sunday 30 June 2013 08.39 EDT Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations

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Sunday 30 June 2013 08.39 EDT Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations

Post by Sir Pun on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:10 am

Reports in Der Spiegel that US agencies bugged European council building 'reminiscent of cold war', says German minister.

The prospects for a new trade pact between the US and the European Union worth hundreds of billions have suffered a severe setback following allegations that Washington bugged key EU offices and intercepted phonecalls and emails from top officials.

The latest reports of NSA snooping on Europe – and on Germany in particular – went well beyond previous revelations of electronic spying said to be focused on identifying suspected terrorists, extremists and organised criminals.

The German publication Der Spiegel reported that it had seen documents and slides from the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden indicating that US agencies bugged the offices of the EU in Washington and at the United Nations in New York. They are also accused of directing an operation from Nato headquarters in Brussels to infiltrate the telephone and email networks at the EU's Justus Lipsius building in the Belgian capital, the venue for EU summits and home of the European council.

Without citing sources, the magazine reported that more than five years ago security officers at the EU had noticed several missed calls apparently targeting the remote maintenance system in the Justus Lipsius building that were traced to NSA offices within the Nato compound in Brussels.

The impact of the Der Spiegel allegations may be felt more keenly in Germany than in Brussels. The magazine said Germany was the foremost target for the US surveillance programmes, categorising Washington's key European ally alongside China, Iraq or Saudi Arabia in the intensity of the electronic snooping.

Germany's justice minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, called for an explanation from the US authorities. "If the media reports are true, it is reminiscent of the actions of enemies during the cold war," she was quoted as saying in the German newspaper Bild. "It is beyond imagination that our friends in the US view Europeans as the enemy."

Washington and Brussels are scheduled to open ambitious free trade talks next week following years of arduous preparation. Senior officials in Brussels are worried that the talks would be overshadowed by the latest disclosures of US spying on its closest allies.

A spokesman for the European commission said: "We have immediately been in contact with the US authorities in Washington and in Brussels and have confronted them with the press reports. They have told us they are checking on the accuracy of the information released yesterday and will come back to us."

There were calls from MEPs for Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European council – who has his office in the building allegedly targeted by the US – and Jose Manuel Barroso, the president of the European commission, to urgently appear before the chamber to explain what steps they were taking in response to the growing body of evidence of US and British electronic surveillance of Europe through the Prism and Tempora operations.

Guy Verhofstadt, the former Belgian prime minister and leader of the liberals in the European parliament, said: "This is absolutely unacceptable and must be stopped immediately. The American data collection mania has achieved another quality by spying on EU officials and their meetings. Our trust is at stake."

Luxembourg's foreign minister, Jean Asselborn, told Der Spiegel: "If these reports are true, it's disgusting." Asselborn called for guarantees from the very highest level of the US government that the snooping and spying is immediately halted.

Martin Schulz, the head of the European parliament, said: "I am deeply worried and shocked about the allegations of US authorities spying on EU offices. If the allegations prove to be true, it would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations.

"On behalf of the European parliament, I demand full clarification and require further information speedily from the US authorities with regard to these allegations."

There were also calls for John Kerry, the US secretary of state, to make a detour to Brussels on his way from his current trip to the Middle East, to explain US activities.

"We need to get clarifications and transparency at the highest level," said Marietje Schaake, a Dutch liberal MEP. "Kerry should come to Brussels on his way back from the Middle East. This is essential for the transatlantic alliance. The US can only lead by example, and should uphold the freedoms it claims to protect against attacks from the outside. Instead we see erosion of freedoms, checks and balances, from within."

The documents suggesting the clandestine bugging operations were from September 2010, Der Spiegel said.

A former senior official in Brussels maintained that EU phone and computer systems were almost totally secure but that no system could be immune to persistent high-quality penetration operations.

Der Spiegel quoted the Snowden documents as revealing that the US taps half a billion phone calls, emails and text messages in Germany a month. "We can attack the signals of most foreign third-class partners, and we do it too," Der Spiegel quoted a passage in the NSA document as saying.

On an average day, the NSA monitored about 20m German phone connections and 10m internet datasets, rising to 60m phone connections on busy days, the report said.

Jan Philipp Albrecht, a German Green party MEP and a specialist in data protection, told the Guardian the revelations were outrageous. "It's not about political answers now, but rule of law, fundamental constitutional principles and rights of European citizens," he said.

"We now need a debate on surveillance measures as a whole looking at underlying technical agreements. I think what we can do as European politicians now is to protect the rights of citizens and their rights to control their own personal data."

Talking about the NSA's classification of Germany as a "third-class" partner, Albrecht said it was not helping to build the trust of Germans or other Europeans. "It is destroying trust and to rebuild that, [the US] will need to take real action on legislation," he said.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that at least six European member states have shared personal communications data with the NSA, according to declassified US intelligence reports and EU parliamentary documents.

The documents, seen by the Observer, show that – in addition to the UK – Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain, and Italy have all had formal agreements to provide communications data to the US. They state that the EU countries have had "second and third party status" under decades-old signal intelligence (Sigint) agreements that compel them to hand over data which, in later years, experts believe, has come to include mobile phone and internet data.

Under the international intelligence agreements, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is defined as 'first party' while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy 'second party' trusted relationships. Countries such as Germany and France have 'third party', or less trusted, relationships.

The data-sharing was set out under a 1955 UK-USA agreement that provided a legal framework for intelligence-sharing that has continued.

It stipulates: "In accordance with these arrangements, each party will continue to make available to the other, continuously, and without request, all raw traffic, COMINT (communications intelligence) end-product and technical material acquired or produced, and all pertinent information concerning its activities, priorities and facilities."

The agreement goes on to explain how it can be extended to incorporate similar agreements with third party countries, providing both the UK and the US agree.

Under the third party data-sharing agreements each country was given a code name. For example, Denmark was known as Dynamo while Germany was referred to as Richter. The agreements were of strategic importance to the NSA during the cold war.


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Re: Sunday 30 June 2013 08.39 EDT Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations

Post by Bryant on Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:54 am

 

Whats the purpose of the NSA? It sounds like they have a redundant mission to the CIA. Do we even need them?

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Re: Sunday 30 June 2013 08.39 EDT Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations

Post by Sir Pun on Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:51 pm

Well nsa is basically all just electronic, whereas cia is more human intel, on the ground and in support of the troops.

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Post by Bryant on Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:35 pm

Sir Pun wrote:Well nsa is basically all just electronic, whereas cia is more human intel, on the ground and in support of the troops.

Is the CIA largely in support of the troops? I thought the Army and other branches had their own intelligence branches as well?  

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Post by Sir Pun on Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:51 am

They do, but cia sad division does a lot of work with SFs.

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Re: Sunday 30 June 2013 08.39 EDT Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations

Post by Dennis324 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:00 pm

Our knightly friend is right.  Cool   The NSA is basically all about cryptology, and responsible for collecting and analyzing  foreign communications.  They eavesdrop on radio signals, cellphones, and use bugging devices and stuff like that.

They are also involved with PRISM and that stuff is all over the news headlines right now.  Apparently they've been bugging Americans here at home too.

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Re: Sunday 30 June 2013 08.39 EDT Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations

Post by Sir Pun on Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:07 pm

Wonder how hard it wuld be for the nsa to hack into home security video monitoring?

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Post by Bryant on Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Sir Pun wrote:Wonder how hard it wuld be for the nsa to hack into home security video monitoring?

If its CC, I would think very.

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Post by Dennis324 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:46 am

Probably about as hard as it was to bug the apartment that John Gotti was meeting with his cronies in.  CC would be difficult, but if they disguised themselves as some sort of phone repairman or something and got access to the house (or even a maid cleaning service), they could probably slip in and do it.  Smile

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